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<td> <u>Gameplay</u>
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<li> <strong class="selflink">Vertical LOS</strong></li>
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<p><u>Attacks</u>
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<ul><li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Shooting_in_melee" title="LPG - Shooting in melee">Shooting while in Melee</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Magic_vs_Magical" title="LPG - Magic vs Magical">Magic Attack vs Magical Attack</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Being_Slammed" title="LPG - Being Slammed">Being Slammed</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Being_Thrown" title="LPG - Being Thrown">Being Thrown</a></li></ul>
<p><u>Power Attacks</u>
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<ul><li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Power_Attack:_Head-Butt" title="LPG - Power Attack: Head-Butt">Head-Butt</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Power_Attack:_Power_Strike" title="LPG - Power Attack: Power Strike">Power Strike</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Power_Attack:_Slam" title="LPG - Power Attack: Slam">Slam</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Power_Attack:_Sweep" title="LPG - Power Attack: Sweep">Sweep</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Power_Attack:_Throw" title="LPG - Power Attack: Throw">Throw</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Power_Attack:_Trample" title="LPG - Power Attack: Trample">Trample</a></li></ul>
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<p><u>Unique Faction Rules</u>
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<p><u>Other</u>
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<ul><li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_Death_of_a_Controller" title="LPG - Death of a Controller">Death of a Controller</a></li>
<li> <a href="/index.php?title=LPG_-_What_is_Brawlmachine%3F" title="LPG - What is Brawlmachine?">What is Brawlmachine?</a></li>
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<dl><dd> <i>This article is part of Warmachine University's <b><a href="/index.php?title=Learning_to_Play_the_Game_(LPG)" title="Learning to Play the Game (LPG)">Learning to Play the Game (LPG)</a></b> series, which is "Intermediate Training" aimed at new players who are still learning the core rules.</i></dd></dl>
<dl><dd> <i>(See also <a href="/index.php?title=Crash_Course_(101)" title="Crash Course (101)">Basic Training</a> and <a href="/index.php?title=Learn_Objectives%2C_Tactics%2C_%26_Strategy_(LOTS)" title="Learn Objectives, Tactics, & Strategy (LOTS)">Advanced Training</a>.</i>)</dd></dl>
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</p><p>When it comes to seeing "over" things, Warmachine uses a hybrid of true-line-of-sight rules and abstract base-size-only rules. Most players simplify it down to only-abstract rules, and this practice is so common that many players don't even realise they're playing with house rules!
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<dl><dd> Note: For the purposes of this article, the reader should taken it as a given that all normal horizontal LOS lines are blocked. i.e. you can't draw LOS "around the side" of the intervening model/terrain.</dd></dl>

<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Intervening_Model">Intervening Model</span></h2>
<p>If you have to draw LOS through a model, that model blocks LOS to everything behind it that is of equal-or-smaller base size. Essentially it casts a "horizontal shadow" behind it and anything in the shadow cannot be seen.
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<dl><dd> Example 1: The huge base model cannot see the small base that is behind the large base.</dd>
<dd> Example 2: The small base can see both the large base and the huge base.</dd></dl>
<p><a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_1.html"><img alt="Vert LOS 1.jpg" height="531" src="/images/1/13/Vert_LOS_1.jpg" width="1194"/></a>
<a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_2.html"><img alt="Vert LOS 2.jpg" height="546" src="/images/9/9f/Vert_LOS_2.jpg" width="1119"/></a>
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<div class="center"><div class="thumb tnone"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:302px;"><a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_top.html"><img alt="" class="thumbimage" height="195" src="/images/thumb/8/8f/Vert_LOS_top.jpg/300px-Vert_LOS_top.jpg" srcset="/images/thumb/8/8f/Vert_LOS_top.jpg/450px-Vert_LOS_top.jpg 1.5x, /images/thumb/8/8f/Vert_LOS_top.jpg/600px-Vert_LOS_top.jpg 2x" width="300"/></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a class="internal" href="File_Vert_LOS_top.html" title="Enlarge"></a></div>Top down view illustrating how, for the purposes of this article, the reader should taken it as a given that all normal horizontal LOS lines are blocked.</div></div></div></div>
<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Intervening_Obstruction_-_As_Per_the_Book">Intervening Obstruction - As Per the Book</span></h2>
<p>Obstructions block LOS based on true line of sight ... but the attacker and target have an abstract model volume. So the obstruction cast a "triangular shadow" behind them and any model that pops out of that shadow even a little bit can be seen.
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<dl><dd> Example 3 & 4: The huge base model can see the small base behind the building, and vice versa.</dd></dl>
<p>In other words, if you can see a model over an obstruction, that model can see you.
</p><p><a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_3.html"><img alt="Vert LOS 3.jpg" height="532" src="/images/4/47/Vert_LOS_3.jpg" width="1190"/></a>
<a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_4.html"><img alt="Vert LOS 4.jpg" height="515" src="/images/5/51/Vert_LOS_4.jpg" width="1187"/></a>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Intervening_Obstruction_-_House_Rules">Intervening Obstruction - House Rules</span></h2>
<p>Determining LOS over an obstruction as per the book is a pain in the ass. You need to put a ruler next to each model of the correct height to match their volume, then measure a line in mid-air between the two rulers, and try to see if the obstruction blocks that line.
</p><p>So instead, the commonly-played house rule is that obstructions block LOS in the same way models do, casting a "horizontal shadow". This house rule is even more common in areas that use 2D terrain.
</p><p><b>Important for House Rules</b> - Some players House Rule obstructions as tall enough to block LOS to everything, and others House Rule obstructions as blocking LOS to everything <i>except</i> huge bases. So make sure you check with your opponent beforehand.
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<dl><dd> Examples 5-7: Players have agreed to pretend the house is the size of a large-based model. </dd>
<dd> Example 5: The huge base model cannot see the small base that is behind the building.</dd>
<dd> Example 6: The small base can see the huge base over the building.</dd>
<dd> Example 7: As before, but with 2-D terrain.</dd></dl>
<p><a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_5.html"><img alt="Vert LOS 5.jpg" height="549" src="/images/c/c6/Vert_LOS_5.jpg" width="1206"/></a>
<a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_6.html"><img alt="Vert LOS 6.jpg" height="520" src="/images/e/ed/Vert_LOS_6.jpg" width="1183"/></a>
<a class="image" href="File_Vert_LOS_7.html"><img alt="Vert LOS 7.jpg" height="559" src="/images/a/aa/Vert_LOS_7.jpg" width="1199"/></a>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Intervening_Forest_or_Cloud">Intervening Forest or Cloud</span></h2>
<p>When it comes to seeing "over" forests and clouds, they are effectively infinite height. You use the regular forest/cloud LOS rules regardless of the volume of the attacker or the target ... unless the target is a huge-based model. Huge-based models can <i>always</i> be seen over forests and clouds.
</p><p>The regular forest/cloud LOS rules are covered in <a href="/index.php?title=101_-_Terrain_Rules" title="101 - Terrain Rules">101 - Terrain Rules</a>.
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Official_Rules">Official Rules</span></h2>
<p><span style="color:blue">Page 34 of the 2020.02 edition of the core rules</span>
</p><p>Many game situations such as charging or making attacks require a model to target another model. A model must have line of sight (LOS) to another model to target it. Simply put, having line of sight means a model can see another model. When a model “selects” or “chooses” another model, it need not have line of sight. A model’s controller can check its line of sight at any time.
</p><p>There are several steps to determining whether one model has line of sight to another. These steps are listed on p. 34. If any step results in a model’s potential line of sight being blocked, return to the first step and try a different line. If no line can be found to pass all steps, the model does not have line of sight to the desired model and cannot target it.
</p><p>If you can draw any straight line between the bases of two models that crosses over any part of the base of a third model, the third model is an intervening model.
</p><p>Line of sight can also be blocked by terrain. To determine whether a model’s line of sight to another model is blocked by terrain, consider each model’s volume. Every model occupies a volume of space above the bottom of its base determined by its base size. See the callout “Determining Model Volume” on p. 35 for details.
</p><p>In the following descriptions, Model A is determining line of sight to Model B:
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<ol><li> Draw a straight line from any part of Model A’s volume to any part of Model B’s volume that is within Model A’s front arc.</li>
<li> The line must not pass through a terrain feature that blocks line of sight.</li>
<li> The line must not pass over an intervening model’s base that is equal to or larger than Model B’s.</li>
<li> The line must not pass over an effect that blocks line of sight, such as a cloud effect.</li></ol>



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