Category:Counterslam

Rules Clarification:  : Slam      (Edit)
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• General
  • If you slam someone via a Power Attack the distance they move depends on relative base sizes.

  If you slam someone via a weapon or spell, the distance they move will be as per that weapon's/spell's rules text. Sometimes it doesn't depend on base size.

  • Obstacles stop slams, but they don't stop throws.

  Obstructions stop both.

  • If three models are B2B and in a triangle formation, and you slam one toward the other two, it will contact both those two models simultaneously. (Infernal Ruling)
  • You can add model special rules (such as Gang) to the damage roll.

• Power Attack Slam
  • You don't add any special rules on your model, unless it specifically refers to Power Attack Slam (such as Hard Head)
  • You can use an "any time" ability after resolving the slam movement but before the slam attack roll. (Infernal Ruling)
  • The range of a Power Attack Slam is irrespective of your weapon range:
    • A Power Attack Slam made by a colossal or gargantuan has a 2˝ melee range.
    • A Power Attack Slam made by any other model has a 0.5˝ melee range.
  • You can boost the damage roll.

• Weapon Slam (ie Smite)
  • You use the weapon's full P+S, not the attacker's base STR.
  • You can add weapon special rules (such as Weapon Master) to the damage roll.
  • You can boost the damage roll (and if you charged, it is auto-boosted).

• Dual Attack & Slam/Trample ( Edit )

Power Attack Slam and Trample combine your Normal Movement and Combat Action, and how this works with Dual Attack is:

• Slam: You must resolve the movement, the attack, and moving the slammed model. Only then can you make initial ranged attacks.
• Trample: You must resolve the movement, the attacks, and the free strikes. Only then can you make initial ranged attacks.
• (Infernal Ruling)

• Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
  • Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
  • Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
    • If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
    • If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
    • If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
    • For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
  • The same logic applies to Throws.

• Collateral Damage
  • Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
    • It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
    • It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
    • It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.

Rules Clarification:  : Countercharge      (Edit)
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• If the moving model has Assault, the Countercharge is resolved before the Assault attack. (Infernal Ruling).
• If the moving model has a rule that resolves "at the end of Normal Movement" (such as Slipstream), the Countercharge is resolved before the other rule. (Infernal Ruling)
• The moving model cannot use an "Any Time" after finishing their advance but before your Countercharge. They can use it only after the Countercharge is resolved.
• If the non-countercharging player has a similar "ends an advance" trigger (such as Admonition) then they can trigger and resolve that from your countercharge movement.
  • Example: Model [A] charges, and triggers Countercharge on [B]. Model [B] countercharges, and triggers Admonition on [C].
    Resolve Admonition on [C]. Then finish resolving Countercharge on [B]. Then finish model [A]'s activation.

    Triggering Countercharge    

• You can trigger Countercharge if you're engaging, but not engaged.
• You can trigger Countercharge during your own turn, if your opponent has an ability to move during your turn (such as Admonition).
• Some abilities let you "ignore intervening models when declaring a charge" (such as Flight). Unfortunately, you still need LOS to trigger Countercharge, and it's only after CC is triggered that you actually get to declare a charge. In other words, Flight and Countercharge don't work together for LOS purposes.
• What does trigger Countercharge
  • Countercharge triggers off any advance, not just in-activation stuff.
  • Standing still but changing facing is an advance.
• What doesn't trigger Countercharge
  • Aiming, or forfeiting your movement, is not advancing.
  • If a model doesn't move, doesn't change facing, doesn't aim ... does nothing but skips straight ahead to its Combat Action, this is not an advance. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Being placed (such as Teleport) is not an advance.
  • Involuntary movement (being slammed, thrown, or pushed) is not an advance.
• When a unit is moving, countercharge is triggered on a model-by-model basis. So you can countercharge after any model in the unit has finished its move within range, but you can only countercharge that model who just finished its movement. You can't "save it" until the entire unit finishes moving and then say "I'm going to Countercharge the first guy you moved."

    Attacks, Boosting, & Other Triggers    

• You only get one attack when making a countercharge, regardless of how many initials you normally have.
• The charge attack damage is only boosted if the Countercharger moved 3" or more, as with a regular charge.
• Countercharge occurs outside of activation so you can't spend fury/focus to boost a countercharge attack, nor buy additional attacks afterwards, not trigger stuff that only happens during your Combat Action (like Berserk).
• Even if you trigger Countercharge during your own activation, for the duration of you resolving the CC it "no longer counts" as being in your activation. (Infernal Ruling)

    After the Countercharge    

• The countercharging model cannot use any abilities that trigger on "during activation" or "during combat action" (such as Sprint), as Counter Charge is not an activation. (Locked thread)

    Other interactions    

• Countercharge during your own activation (Countercharge vs Admonition etc) ( Edit )
  • You can trigger Countercharge during your own activation, but only if an enemy model moves during your activation. For instance, you move towards a model who has Admonition and they trigger that to try to move away. (You do a normal move, they trigger admonition and move, you trigger countercharge from their admonition-move.)
  • However countercharge always counts as being out-of-activation, no matter when you trigger it. (Infernal Ruling)

  As a result, you can't trigger only-during-activation effects (such as Critical Shred & Sustained Attack).

  • On the other hand, you can potentially get two charge attacks (one for your normal charge, one for the counter charge). (Infernal Ruling)
    This ruling still applies even after the 2018.07 update (Infernal Re-ruling)

• Countercharge plus Admonition
  • If a model has both CC and Admonition, it can trigger both at the same time. A model moves nearby, it admonitions away, then countercharges back in.

• Countercharge Inception
  • If a model [A] has Countercharge, and it charges an enemy model [B] that has Countercharge and Admonition, then ...
    • Model [A] charges and triggers CC and Admo on [B]
    • Model [B] Admo moves but before it can resolve its own CC, it triggers CC on [A]
    • You now have two models that have triggered CC simultaneously. So the Active player gets to resolve their one first.
• Assault vs Countercharge ( Edit )
  • Things which are resolved when a model "ends movement" (such as Countercharge) need to be resolved before the Assault attack. (Infernal Ruling).
• Countercharge & Cavalry ( Edit )
  • A model with Countercharge and Cavalry can make Impact Attacks during the countercharge. (Refer "Charges Outside of Activation" in the rulebook).