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Long riders gallop into battle as inexorably as the tide, riding thick-framed and powerfully muscled bison that pound the earth beneath thundering hooves as they charge to shatter enemy lines. The impact of these great steeds can send even titans tumbling back into the mud, all while the riders lay down deadly blows with their long-handled axes.
Basic Info
| Trollkin Long Riders |
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| COST |
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| UNIT SIZE |
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| FA |
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| Warcaster 0 |
| BASE |
Large |
| SPD |
7 |
| STR |
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| MAT |
7 |
| RAT |
N/A |
| M.A. |
N/A |
| DEF |
12 |
| ARM |
18 |
| CMD |
9 |
| ESSENCE |
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| FOCUS |
N/A |
| FURY |
N/A |
| THRS |
N/A |
| HP |
8 each |
| F. Field |
N/A |
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| WJP |
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| WBP |
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| IHP |
{{{ihp}}} |
| FA |
2 |
| UNIT SIZE |
3 / 5 |
| COST |
11 / 17 |
| 3.6 or 3.4 each |
| N/A |
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| N/A |
| Warcaster 1 |
| COST |
N/A |
| N/A |
Understanding
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Abilities
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Cavalry
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Tough
- Bull Rush (Order) - Affected models must run, charge, or make a slam power attack this activation. If an affected model makes a slam power attack, instead of resolving damage rolls using the model's STR, use the current POW of the Mount. Afer resolving a slam power attack (and Follow Up) this model can make a basic melee attack.
- Follow Up - When this model slams an enemy model, immediately after the slam is resolved this model can advance directly toward the slammed model, up to the distance the slammed model was moved.
- Reposition [3"] - At the end of an activation in which it did not run or fail a charge, this model can advance up to 3", then its activation ends.
Weapons
- Cavalry Axe - 2" reach, P+S 12 melee attack
- Brutal Charge - This model gains +2 to charge attack damage rolls with this weapon.
- Mount - 0.5" reach, POW 14 mount attack
Threat
- Melee
- Walk: 9 inches
- Charge: 12 inches
- Slam: 10.5 inches
Theme Forces
Recent Changes
2021.10
- Point drop 11/17pts (-1/-3)
Thoughts on Trollkin Long Riders
Trollkin Long Riders in a nutshell
Long Riders are the heaviest cavalry unit in the game - and are slam-machines with their Bull Rush. Do you like slams? Then these are awesomely fun - and pretty effective in the right army.
Combos & Synergies
- Themes
- Movement and Speed
- Fell Caller Hero - One is pretty much mandatory if you want to field them. Pathfinder is crucial for their large bases, lest they get bogged down by a forest or wall these tuffalos cannot charge through normall for some reason.
- Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller, and Boomhowler, the Destroyer: Hoof It lets long riders disengage a long way so they can get that second charge. Not that you can fail a Bull Rush and still move with Hoof It, but you cannot fail a charge and do the same.
- Improved Attack
- Improved Damage
- Madrak Ironhide, World Ender/Madrak, Great Chieftain: Blood Fury/Battle Lust gives them an extra dice for damage rolls. Because it is an additional dice this also applies to Impact rolls.
- Pyre Troll or Slag Troll - Flaming Fists or Acidic Touch adds to melee damage, not STR, so it affects the mounts, which means it affects the Bull Rush order slams, and impact attacks. The problem? You can only ever target one per unit and if you try to put another animus on another model in the same unit, the old animus expires, as unintuitive as that is. But if you want to get one super powered slam out there, its definetly an option.
- Staying Alive
Drawbacks & Downsides
- Large bases can be more difficult to position, to navigate around obstacles and rough terrain. They are also easy to draw line of sight to, which means they become a target for guns and debuff spells.
- Threatening 12 inches on the charge or 10.5 inches on the slam means they can be vulnerable to attrition before they have a tangible impact on the game. They want speed buffs to make them less vulnerable and more effective, which means the long rider package invariably requires support of some flavor.
Tricks & Tips
- When performing a "Press Forward" order, to run/charge, say you're making a "Bull Rush." That way, if you have a clear path to something within 10.5 inches of one of the long riders, that rider can slam instead of charge. This is because Bull Rush allows models to run, charge, or slam.
- The basic melee attack after resolving the slam and follow up movement can be used against any model in range, not just the slammed model.
- Remember, the slam attack doesn't benefit from the additional attack die that the long rider would get from charging. Use the slam against easy to hit models. The long riders start at MAT 7, and MAT buffs are readily available, so it should be easy to slam warjacks, warbeasts, or multi-box heavy infantry if their DEF sits around 12 or 13 and the long riders are buffed.
- Read through the rules clarifications below, especially on Cavalry, Bull Rush, and Follow Up. Practice these movements and have a default plan for who gets slammed vs who gets charged. Knowing how all this plays out will save tons of time when playing on the clock.
Other
Trivia
- Released in Hordes: Evolution (2007)
- Nickname(s): Tuffalos. Because they ride buffalos and they're tough.
Other Trollblood models
Rules Clarifications
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Rules Clarification : Powerful Charge and/or Brutal Charge (Edit)
- If you declare a charge but move less than 3", then the attack doesn't count as a "Charge Attack" and you won't get the bonus.
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Rules Clarification : Knockdown (Edit)
- Knockdown (Edit) - Remember, knockdown only prevents what it says it does. Refer to the Knockdown page for a recap of what a model can/can't do.
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Rules Clarification: : Cavalry (Edit)
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Mount Weapon
- Although the core rulebook specifies mount weapons have 0.5" range, this doesn't "overwrite" models that have a longer mount range listed on their card. (Infernal Ruling)
- Mount Weapons are melee weapons. (Infernal Ruling) This means:
- Mount Attacks can benefit from any buffs that affect "melee weapons" (such as Acidic Touch and Elasticity) or "melee attacks" (such as Battle Lust).
- Mount Weapons can be used to make free strikes.
- If the model doesn't have any regular melee weapon (such as the Gun Carriage) then it does have a melee range, can engage enemy models, and can make free strikes; anyway.
- Despite being a melee weapon, you cannot use a Mount's special attack on the same activation you charge. (Infernal Ruling)
- Exception: If you have Trampling Hooves, because that allows you to make charge attacks with your mount when you charge.
- Mount attacks will trigger "Melee attack" stuff like Battle Wizard.
- You can purchase additional attacks with your Mount Weapon. (Infernal Ruling)
Impact Attacks - Movement
- Impact Attacks "pause" your charge move, and as such don't normally trigger "ends an advance" abilities (such as Countercharge).
- The exception is if your Impact Attacks include your charge target, then you have to end the charge movement and turn to directly face the charge target before rolling any dice. In this case, stuff like Countercharge will get triggered before you get to roll your Impact Attacks.
- You cannot "pause" in an illegal position to carry out Impact Attacks. For instance: a Pathfinder cavalry model pausing halfway over an obstacle; a flying cavalry model pausing while it 'overlaps' other models; or any cavalry model pausing halfway through an Incorporeal model.
Impact Attacks - The attack(s)
- You resolve stuff that occurs "after the attack is resolved" (such as Battle Wizard) before continuing with your charge movement.
- If you have an ability that boosts your "first" melee attack (such as Stir the Blood), then only one attack will be boosted even though you're making multiple simultaneous attacks.
- If you choose to make any impact attacks, you make all attacks against all models in the Mount's melee range (even friendly models).(Infernal Ruling)
- Impact Attacks cannot be boosted, refer core rulebook.
- You cannot buy additional attacks while resolving Impact Attacks. Additional attacks can only be bought during your Combat Action, after resolving your initial melee attack(s) / special melee attack.
Impact Attacks - Other
- You cannot use "any time" abilities while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement; and you can only use 'any time' abilities before moving or after moving, but not during movement. (Infernal Ruling)
- Exception: If your Impact targets include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities.
Cavalry unit
- If you have a unit of Cavalry, charge them and do impact attacks, remember you interrupt movement to do impacts, but you have to resolve all movements before doing any charge attacks. So for example it would go:
- Cavalry model A charges enemy X, and contacts model M. Stop and make impact attacks against M. Then continue movement to X.
- Cavalry model B charges enemy Y, and contacts model N. Stop and make impact attacks against N. Then continue movement to Y.
- Cavalry model C charges enemy Z, and contacts model O. Stop and make impact attacks against O. Then continue movement to Z.
- Resolve model A's charge attack vs X, B's vs Y, and C's vs Z. (This can be done in any order, as per normal)
Other interactions
- Cavalry model with no melee weapon
- If you have a Mount weapon but no regular Melee weapon (such as the Efaarit Scout), you can still declare a charge. (Locked thread)
- You can make Impact Attacks along the way.
- Once you get to the charge target, however, you can't make a melee attack against it. Because you can't use the mount weapon for a charge attack, due to the way the Cavalry rules are written. (Unless you have a rule like Trampling Hooves.)
- If you don't charge, the mount attack can be used as an initial melee attack.
- Countercharge & Cavalry ( Edit )
- A model with Countercharge and Cavalry can make Impact Attacks during the countercharge. (Refer "Charges Outside of Activation" in the rulebook).
- Warcaster/Warlock Cavalry ( Edit )
- Warcasters/Warlocks can't cast spells or use their feat while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement - you can use spells or feat before moving, or after moving, but not during movement.
- Exception: If your Impact target(s) include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities before starting the Impact attacks.
- Flight on a Cavalry model (Edit)
- Although flyers can move over obstacles/models, and horses can pause to do impacts while charging, flying horses cannot make impact attacks while overlapping models/obstacles. You need to pause in a legal position.
- Gunfighter & Cavalry ( Edit )
- A cavalry model that charges then makes a Gunfighter attack will not gain a boosted charge attack roll, because a ranged attack is not a charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
- You also won't gain a boosted charge damage roll, as per normal for a Gunfighter.
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Rules Clarification : Tough - None yet. (Edit)
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Rules Clarification : Bull Rush (Edit)
- Key differences to a charge:
- The range of a slam is 0.5", it is not your regular melee range.
- You cannot make impact attacks if you declare a slam.
- A slam does not gain auto-boosted damage.
- A slam attack cannot be redirected. So if two models in a unit declare a slam vs the same enemy, and the first one slams it out of range of the second one, the second one gets no attacks at all.
- Timing for Bull Rush on a unit:
- Although a Power Attack Slam "combines" movement and action, you still do all the models' moves before you do any slam attacks - very much the same as charging models.
- Some models in the unit can charge while others slam.
- Impact attacks, if any, are done mid-charge as per usual.
- Resolve Follow-Up moves before moving onto the next model's attack.
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Rules Clarification: : Slam (Edit)
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- General
- If you slam someone via a Power Attack the distance they move depends on relative base sizes.
- If you slam someone via a weapon or spell, the distance they move will be as per that weapon's/spell's rules text. Sometimes it doesn't depend on base size.
- Obstacles stop slams, but they don't stop throws.
- Obstructions stop both.
- If three models are B2B and in a triangle formation, and you slam one toward the other two, it will contact both those two models simultaneously. (Infernal Ruling)
- You can add model special rules (such as Gang) to the damage roll.
- Power Attack Slam
- You don't add any special rules on your model, unless it specifically refers to Power Attack Slam (such as Hard Head)
- You can use an "any time" ability after resolving the slam movement but before the slam attack roll. (Infernal Ruling)
- The range of a Power Attack Slam is irrespective of your weapon range:
- A Power Attack Slam made by a colossal or gargantuan has a 2˝ melee range.
- A Power Attack Slam made by any other model has a 0.5˝ melee range.
- You can boost the damage roll.
- Weapon Slam (ie Smite)
- You use the weapon's full P+S, not the attacker's base STR.
- You can add weapon special rules (such as Weapon Master) to the damage roll.
- You can boost the damage roll (and if you charged, it is auto-boosted).
- Dual Attack & Slam/Trample ( Edit )
- Power Attack Slam and Trample combine your Normal Movement and Combat Action, and how this works with Dual Attack is:
- Slam: You must resolve the movement, the attack, and moving the slammed model. Only then can you make initial ranged attacks.
- Trample: You must resolve the movement, the attacks, and the free strikes. Only then can you make initial ranged attacks.
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- Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
- Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
- Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
- If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
- If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
- If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
- For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
- The same logic applies to Throws.
- Collateral Damage
- Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
- It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
- It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
- It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.
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Rules Clarification : Follow Up (Edit)
- If the target is killed by the slam damage, Follow Up cannot trigger because there is no model left on the table for you to move towards. (Infernal Ruling)
- If you slam your target through smaller-based models, then you can only advance as far as those models - you can't walk through them.
- You can use Follow Up on any kind of slam, not just on a Power Attack Slam.
- You can use Follow Up on a slam caused by a ranged weapon. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification: : Slam (Edit)
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- General
- If you slam someone via a Power Attack the distance they move depends on relative base sizes.
- If you slam someone via a weapon or spell, the distance they move will be as per that weapon's/spell's rules text. Sometimes it doesn't depend on base size.
- Obstacles stop slams, but they don't stop throws.
- Obstructions stop both.
- If three models are B2B and in a triangle formation, and you slam one toward the other two, it will contact both those two models simultaneously. (Infernal Ruling)
- You can add model special rules (such as Gang) to the damage roll.
- Power Attack Slam
- You don't add any special rules on your model, unless it specifically refers to Power Attack Slam (such as Hard Head)
- You can use an "any time" ability after resolving the slam movement but before the slam attack roll. (Infernal Ruling)
- The range of a Power Attack Slam is irrespective of your weapon range:
- A Power Attack Slam made by a colossal or gargantuan has a 2˝ melee range.
- A Power Attack Slam made by any other model has a 0.5˝ melee range.
- You can boost the damage roll.
- Weapon Slam (ie Smite)
- You use the weapon's full P+S, not the attacker's base STR.
- You can add weapon special rules (such as Weapon Master) to the damage roll.
- You can boost the damage roll (and if you charged, it is auto-boosted).
- Dual Attack & Slam/Trample ( Edit )
- Power Attack Slam and Trample combine your Normal Movement and Combat Action, and how this works with Dual Attack is:
- Slam: You must resolve the movement, the attack, and moving the slammed model. Only then can you make initial ranged attacks.
- Trample: You must resolve the movement, the attacks, and the free strikes. Only then can you make initial ranged attacks.
- (Infernal Ruling)
- Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
- Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
- Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
- If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
- If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
- If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
- For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
- The same logic applies to Throws.
- Collateral Damage
- Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
- It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
- It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
- It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.
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Rules Clarification : Reposition (Edit)
- Models out of formation cannot move via Reposition. Refer to the "Out of Formation" rules in the core rulebook.
- End of Activation (Edit)
- You cannot resolve two end-of-activation movement effects (refer to "End of Activation Movement" in the core rulebook). For EOA stuff that doesn't involve movement, though, it gets a bit more murky:
- Some EOA abilities explicitly state your activation ends as part of resolving the ability (like Reposition), and some don't (like Refuge).
- Whether it is explicit it or not, by definition an EOA ability is the last thing you can do for that activation. For instance, if you resolve Refuge and then continue your activation to cast more spells, then you have not used Refuge at the end of your activation.
- You cannot do an "at any time" ability during or after triggering an EOA ability; you cannot cast spells, purchase additional attacks, use a mini-feat, etc.
- If you start resolving an EOA movement (such as Reposition) then you cannot trigger abilities that occur "at any time" (such as Go To Ground). Because you can't trigger it while resolving the EOA movement, and after the EOA movement your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling)
- For units: if any model in the unit starts resolving the unit's EOA movement, then no model in the unit can trigger an any-time ability. (Infernal Ruling)
- See also the training article: LPG - End of Activation.
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